Obama High on Meter, Clinton Leaves One Cold

Alot is going on in the Obama Campaign.  I know there has been criticism with the White House Report about Iraq, that is not supposed to be out, but is OUT.  And a question of leadership on Obama and Clinton.  Well, that is for them to figure out, so I ran across this article about the "feel good" affect of people between these candidates.

Gallup said today that it recently tested the public images of several of the Republican and Democratic candidates running for president. "Of these, only one -- Barack Obama -- stirs up warm feelings in a majority of Americans," it found. But "Clinton's image is the most polarized of this group: nearly as many Americans say she leaves them cold as say they feel warmly toward her."

Obama scores "total warm" with 53%, and "total cold" with 28%. Clinton, on the other hand, seemed warm to 49% but cold to 44%. Sen. John Edwards scored 47% warm and 32% cold.

Does this mean anything?  No.  But people are fickle.  They are.  We know many voted for George Bush in 2000 because they felt he is the kind of guy, one would like to have a "beer" with.  So, are americans going to vote like this in the primaries, general?

One thing about this "sort of poll", is that Clinton stays consistant with her being polarizing.  Though she is scoring high among Democrats, when she wanders outside the Democratic Cloak, the numbers are different.  She remains the most polarizing figure of all the candidates, and this does remain a problem.  If she is the candidate the numbers will not get better, but far worse.

Then it makes you wonder about Edwards.  He is racking up all the union endorsements, and it was expected.  But the one from NY Transportation Union was quite different, for me.  One, this is Clinton land.  Why was she not endorsed?  We are talking about the city's transportation, etc.?  So, what happened here?  Then the endorsement came with "the only candidate to beat the Republicans".  That is Edwards, not Clinton.

So, here we go again.  Electability.  Something Clinton has not been able to squash and this is September.  What does this mean?

I don't know.  I know that among Democratic voters, many do still have questions.  If she is the candidate, we will be busy fighting off everything, especially all that old baggage.  Please don't start with it does not matter, because it does.  Yes, she can win, but will it cost us?  Will new states come over on our side?  Are her coattails long enough?  Sorry, these are questions that are being asked, down the line.  Ask these democrats in independent/republican districts.  You will get a different answer.  Not on record, but a different answer.

So, do people vote for candiates they like?  I think they do.  I think in the end, the average american, not us, political junkies, do look at who they like.  But more importantly, for this cycle, it will be who they trust, believe.  I think it will come down to that.  If Clinton has not removed the electability question and the polarizing figure question, let's face it.  It won't be removed.  For her, people have known her for over 15 years, and the other side has painted her with a wide brush.  So, if you are expecting the public to automatically switch to Clinton, I don't think it will happen.  Not if they have made their minds up.

Lastly, the "Oprah Factor".  Oprah Winfrey is a known enigma in this country and the world.  But, I remember Oprah when no one knew Oprah, as many others do.  She has evolved.  But the most consistant thing about Oprah Winfrey is that many do not look at her as a celebrity, but someone they know and can sit down and talk with.  She is beloved, trusted and believed by million of women around this country.  I don't know if she can be a factor for the Obama Campaign, and we know she is bringing in big cash, but if she decides to start stumping in these early states, keep an eye out.  Especially with women.  For anyone to believe that she does not have "influence" is drastically wrong, she has more "cred" with the public than all these politicians put together.



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Re: Obama High on Meter, Clinton Leaves One Cold (2.00 / 2)

Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute made this comment about Hillary Rodham Clinton on August 8 , 2007 .

"Sen. Clinton is inching ahead. Not only does she lead by a nose in two of the most important swing states in the Electoral College, but she is turning around independent and Republican voters who previously viewed her negatively,"

"In the last two months the share of voters who view her favorably has increased to about 50 percent - an important milestone - while the numbers who view her unfavorably has dropped. It is not huge movement, but it is consistent across all three states," Brown added.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x2882.xml?Rele aseID=1089


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 12:59:38 PM EST

Hillary please (1.80 / 5)

Her biggest fund raisers are fugitives and felons (Norman Hsu, Peter Paul) She has creator, owner and CEO of NewsCorp (FOX), Rupert Murdoch, his family and 9 members of his executive team maxed out on her 2008 campaign. Last year Murdoch personally held a fund raiser for her in the FOX building.  She is openly defending lobbyists because she is the largest recipient of special interest money in Washington and unlike Obama refuses to disclose her Earmarks because she is funding half the multi-national military industrial complex with them (360 earmarks worth  $2.2 billion from 2002 to 2006)

Clinton can boast wealth of earmarks
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/clin ton-can-boast-wealth-of-earmarks-2007-06 -13.html

Don't be a Hillsheeple, wake up and take the rose colored glasses off.

I See Hillsheeple
http://www.cafepress.com/Hillsheeple


by Todd Smyth on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 01:23:15 PM EST
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Even if that's true...all those.... (none / 0)

painstaking gains are going to be lost on the first negative ad. That & more.  All these stupid numbers means nothing because there is no negative ads as of yet.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 01:25:50 PM EST
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Re: Even if that's true...all those.... (none / 0)

and now Fred Thompson is officially in the race.


Dare to be free.
by misscee on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 03:43:04 PM EST
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Re: Obama High on Meter, Clinton Leaves One Cold (none / 0)

We are talking about the city's transportation, etc.?  So, what happened here?

The 2005 strike for which the union was penalized $2.5 mill for a strike prohibited under NY's Taylor Law. While this is a state and not federal issue, the union is still bitter about the lack of criticism from prominent NY Dems for the 'no strike' provision of the law. Consider this 'payback,' with Edwards as beneficiary.


by dblhelix on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 01:33:08 PM EST

Re: Obama High on Meter, Clinton Leaves One Cold (2.00 / 3)

What I find disingenious in this diary is that the diarist leaves out this following vital information:

Among 316 Democrats, Clinton averages at 71.6°, Obama at 69.1°, and Edwards at 64.3°.  

Obviously, amongst Democrats and Democratic-leaners, Clinton is the "warmest."  Since we are looking at the PRIMARIES right around the corner, there is your "electability" and "likeability" advantage right there, with those who count in the immediate process.   Of course, we saw last week's "cross-country poll," which Clinton won amongst all candidates from all voter groups, which goes directly to the likeability question.     The likeability advantage Clinton has amongst DEMOCRATS is key here.  If Obama can't make that up (and certainly his fav./unfav. numbers as per Rasmussen amongst Democrats and Democratic leaders are clearly well below Clinton's) he can't win.  


by georgep on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 02:04:17 PM EST

Goerge (none / 0)

no one is arguing dems like Hillary but everyone else can't stand her. What he have here is a paradox, dem voters do like Hillary but they also have a tendacny to like candidates who do not go over well with the nation as a whole. With Hillary the warning sign are everywhere that the country likes Obama and Edwards alot better than her. Perhaps dems should take it into consideration what the people that actually decide elections think about Hillary.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 02:09:37 PM EST
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Re: Goerge (2.00 / 1)

Again ,

Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute made this comment about Hillary Rodham Clinton on August 8 , 2007 .

"Sen. Clinton is inching ahead. Not only does she lead by a nose in two of the most important swing states in the Electoral College, but she is turning around independent and Republican voters who previously viewed her negatively,"

"In the last two months the share of voters who view her favorably has increased to about 50 percent - an important milestone - while the numbers who view her unfavorably has dropped. It is not huge movement, but it is consistent across all three states," Brown added.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x2882.xml?Rele aseID=1089

no one is arguing dems like Hillary but everyone else can't stand her.

- You are better of not pulling s**t out of your ass . What do you mean by everyone else can't stand her ?


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 02:12:49 PM EST
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Re: Goerge (2.00 / 2)

ok almost everyone else besides dems can't stand her. I live in the real world ith people like Mudcat Saunders. Somewhere between 40-50% of the nation despise Hillary you know it and I know it.


Obama! because 51% isn't enough!
by nevadadem on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 02:17:36 PM EST
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Re: Goerge (none / 0)

Reality, is a hard pill to swallow.  Of course, the Dems like Hillary, but again, outside called the "real world", that Hillary pill is going to be hard to swallow for many.  That is just the fact.


by iamready on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 02:27:54 PM EST
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Re: DP Andrew (none / 0)

On the war I see no difference between her position and their position,s

Tell me how she is going to end the war with 70,000 residual forces in Iraq.


by BDM on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 03:55:47 PM EST
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and i see no difference in her position and bush's (none / 0)

so i guess there is a consensus!  are you on board with that, because i'm not...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Sat Sep 08, 2007 at 07:29:19 AM EST
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Re: Goerge (2.00 / 1)

Uh, the bitter pill that Obama posters need to swallow is that he just isn't nearly popular enough with Democrats and Indep. Democratic leaners to win the nomination.   His fav./unfav. are extreme on both sides.  Only 64% favorables to Clinton's 81%?   Terrible.  A full ONE THIRD of Democrats gives Obama the thumbs down?  Extreme.   You know, iceberg, we have seen these very high negatives for over 2 months now for Obama.  Back then I was told "Ah, it will change, he is new, these negatives are not fixed."  Here we are, 2 months later, and Obama looks even less electable now than he did 2 months ago.   That is the cold, hard fact.  The "electability" canard re: Clinton is used by some here to divert from the huge problems their candidate faces from WITHIN OUR PARTY.     With 1/3rd of your base viewing you unfavorable, you are basically not able to win.  

As for the "paradox":  There is none.  As far as our candidates are concerned, DEMOCRATS are obviously BY FAR the best informed, the most clear on positions, most likely to have watched debates, campaign appearances, etc.  That best informed group is going strongly for Clinton (not even close.)   Independents are more loosely engaged, are checking the candidates for each party out at this point.   Clinton has been doing a great job winning them over, she now leads Obama in Independent support (before Obama had an edge.)   Leaves REPUBLICANS.  The least informed group.  They are not at all likely to check out our candidates closely, are busy with their own candidates, GOP debates, etc.  AMONGST THAT least-informed group you get your data points from?  The GOPers?   At least wait until they have a chance to look at our candidates a bit closer.  Chances are they like what they see with Clinton, especially when contrasting to the dragon-lady image they were fed by the Limbaugh's and Hannity's.   Of course, a good 65% of those Republicans would never vote anything but GOP anyway, but the remaining "possibles" can be mined by Clinton once they start actually looking at our candidates with interest.   So, don't you worry yourself silly over something that won't happen until November of 2008 (a full 14 months away) and instead worry about your own candidate who can't get Democrats to like him with the Democratic primaries less than 4 months away.  


by georgep on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 05:12:28 PM EST
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Re: Goerge (none / 0)

in the end, the voters will have the last say, on all candidates


by caroline becker on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 05:16:15 PM EST
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yup (2.00 / 2)

and it looks like they will be voting Clinton.  Get your smelling salts ready/  I expect all the Edwards and Obama kids to be having a major case of the vapors by March.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 05:29:44 PM EST
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i expect both of them to hang around through the.. (none / 0)

convention.  once she's the nominee, the election is going to be all about hillary, and if republicans tear her apart before the convention (something i don't expect -- swiftboating didn't occur until after kerry was safely the nominee), then democrats might be eager to replace her...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Sat Sep 08, 2007 at 08:02:28 AM EST
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i personally find it paradoxical... (none / 0)

that george needs to lecture obama supporters about all the hillary supporters who have an unfavorable view of barack, but we are not supposed to raise the fact that hillary has the highest negatives historically for a non-incumbent.  unlike george, i don't wish that barack would throw in the towel before his campaign gets off the ground just because some clinton people resent the challenge he's offered.

see we obama supporters believe in transparency and accountability (i realize that hillary's record is in sharp contrast to these democratic values) and we know that hillary is going to be pummeled by the psychodrama, so why abandon the hope that a democrat will win the white house (yeah, yeah, regurgitating all the crap john kerry sold in 2004 doesn't make hillary any more electable -- it just makes us more naive and irresponsible)?  hillary's support is known and probably as high as it gets.  we have no idea how the rest of the field, on both sides, will do...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Sat Sep 08, 2007 at 08:00:03 AM EST
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nope (none / 0)

try real facts not blog facts.  The real facts are that Clinton is doing just fine in the real world with everyone but the racist sexist white guys who would rather vote for Edwards. Frankly I don't think the democratic party wants or will get those votes anyway.  So if that is Edwards constituency he can change parties and go after them.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 05:34:05 PM EST
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52% of the electorate is sexist white guys??? (none / 0)


(one of hillary's historically high negatives).  i'm completely fascinated by the clinton's supporters proclivity to narrow the democratic party, telling people to leave it.  that's a pathway to victory i'd never expect.  oh, i understand.  i remember the days when bill was president, and they did their best to take the party away from democrats.  i just never imagined that hillary would start this process before gaining the nomination, let alone winning the white house.  there's something very eery about a candidate's supporters who basically want to just kick everyone else out...
"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Sat Sep 08, 2007 at 08:08:04 AM EST
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Re: Goerge (none / 0)

You don't "know it," because it simply is not true.  Right now about 60% consider themselves in the Democratic fold.  Clinton is extremely popular with that group.  Leaves 40% of Republican leaners.  They ALL "DESPISE" her?  What a ridiculous assertion.  

I guess by that token we can say that Obama is actually DESPISED by 31% of Democrats (latest unfavorables from Rasmussen,) almost every third Democrat despises the guy?    Are you really going to run with that type of theme?   If so, then Obama has no business running, because every third person in our midst views him unfavorably, or, in your vernacular, DESPISES the guy.  


by georgep on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 05:18:43 PM EST
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60%???? (none / 0)

you are, without question, the most unorthodox observer of polling data possible.  the dnc recognizes a high of about 41% (depending on the month), and while you clearly engage in overly-optimistic wishful thinking (anything to support your pre-conceived notions!), no responsible observer of polling data would do so.  you are WAY OUTSIDE THE MAINSTREAN, george.  this post actually defines the extreme of candidate fanaticism...

(yeah, yeah, we got that you hillary fanatics hate barack.  uppity black man, and all that...)


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Sat Sep 08, 2007 at 08:11:14 AM EST
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oh well (1.00 / 1)

boo hoo, guess we'll just have to lose. = )

Oh wait, you're wrong.  Guess we won't lose after all.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 05:27:55 PM EST
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george has a good point... (none / 0)

democrats have long had the propensity to vote for people that they (democrats) like but that other voters don't.  some can assume that this is why republicans have been so successful in occupying the white house in the recent past...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Sat Sep 08, 2007 at 07:27:45 AM EST
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Clinton will look like warm fuzzy teddy bear ... (2.00 / 1)

Standing behind a podium next to Giuliani or Thompson.  Voters will postively want to squeeze her and have her protect them from the these two bald old men who would have us in an all out war all of the time.


by dpANDREWS on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 03:27:25 PM EST

will she be wearing her pink dress??? (none / 0)


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Sat Sep 08, 2007 at 08:12:23 AM EST
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Re: Obama High on Meter, Clinton Leaves One Cold (1.50 / 2)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070907/ap_o n_el_pr/obama_pena


by bruh21 on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 03:58:44 PM EST

Hi Iceberg (1.50 / 4)

keep dreaming.

What exactly is Obama's campaign all about anyway besides attacking Clinton?

"Turn the page"?

What page?

"We need a new face"

Why?  The people think we need wisdom and experience.

"Clinton voted for the war"

So did 90 percent of the people, they don't seem to care, get past it.

"Ethics Reform"

Hmmmm...better check your own back yard...literaly.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 05:23:29 PM EST

Re: Hi Iceberg (none / 0)

wow, somebody is being ignored at home?  ummmm....


by caroline becker on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 06:17:29 PM EST
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don't you think it's just the implication... (none / 0)

of hillary's extreme polarization or divisiveness?  it's not only in the overall electorate that she has that effect.  it clearly exists inside the democratic party, as well...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Sat Sep 08, 2007 at 08:13:54 AM EST
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Re: Hi Iceberg (2.00 / 2)

If 90% of the people voted for the war, along with many of our elected representatives, don't you think that is an argument in favour of new leadership?  Not seeming to care and 'getting past it' are not structural remedies to a serious problem.

Why would we seek, so many years later, to rally around leaders who were apparently so incapable of leading, rather than following, public opinion on such a significant issue?  Surely the case for the war in Iraq being a tragic and costly mistake does not need to be made at this time.  Giving our leadership a pass on this seems to be more a case of collective guilt than prudent politics.

We have important work to do.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 07:36:01 PM EST
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Re: Obama (none / 0)

This reminds me of that scene in Titanic where people started running and screaming when they realized all the lifeboats had left and the ship was going down.  Obama's ship is sinking and all the supporters seem to do now is attack Hillary any chance they get.


by reasonwarrior on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 06:51:37 PM EST

how unreasonable! (none / 0)

isn't it strange that in every election, almost every single front-runner is attacked by their opponents, but you assume that hillary should be exempt?

no worries, this is exactly the results we found by examining obama's negatives among democrats in detail.  hillary's supporters do believe that she is exceptional, and should be treated that way.  this is, btw, a profoundly minority view amongst the electorate...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Sat Sep 08, 2007 at 08:16:03 AM EST
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Re: Obama High on Meter, Clinton Leaves One Cold (none / 0)

What is the point of this poll?  Are they asking if the voters themselves are warm or cold to the candidates or if the candidates themselves are warm or cold?  


by Justify My Vote on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 07:27:14 PM EST

I don't know who the candidate will be (none / 0)

but since the Republicans started playing the race card the Dems have been unable to elect anyone but a white southern male.  Namely, Johnson, Carter, and Clinton.  They could not even elect a war hero.  I think the most electable is Edwards.


by realtime on Sat Sep 08, 2007 at 10:26:59 AM EST

Re: Obama High on Meter, Clinton Leaves One Cold (none / 0)

 Let me tell you how a real Republican feels.First of all,I LOVE Barack Obama.I'm not here to bash Hillary or Edwards I really don't care too much to comment on them but just wanted to clear the air why I as a Republican don't like them.I get sick really even commenting about Hillary that's how much I dislike her.She comes off as ICE COLD and she is absolutely scandalous.Look, I'm trying to be nice so I want state to much more about her but I would NEVER vote for her I'd vote against her every time. Now Edwards I feel a bit more warmer towards him but his so call socialist views on health care,mandating for Americans to go to the doctor is unwelcomed.He brought my consideration of him to a finality when he spoke about how us as Americans would fight terrorism.I did'nt like his views about terrorism, after all we have been safe for almost 6 years now,it has'nt been perfect but his approach was wrong.I want vote for him. Due to the fact that I love Barack Obama so much I want to become a Democrat but I need your help, if you help me get him elected as President Of The United States I would also want to vote for there to be a House majority Democrats and a Senate majority Democrats.The reason why because,I dont want partisanship in the way of this countries government getting done what it needs to get done.I'm not askiing you to vote for Barack just to help me but I'm asking you to vote for Barack to help me and my fellow Americans.We need Barack Obama as President Of The U.S. because he has been correct on the issues (good judgement) and he's honest(transparent government).If we work together and do this we can finally find out whats really going on in Iraq and the majority of Americans will feel a sense of unity towards the leadership of our government.
                 Sincerely,Terrance4444
by Terrance4444 on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 06:29:16 AM EST


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