850,000, YES, 850K!! Being Dumped by Clinton and the Outsourcing Continues

All because of disgraced democratic (if you call him that) fundraiser, Norman Hsu.  

Why return almost a million dollars in cash?  What is really up?

Confronted with new evidence that it had ignored warnings about fundraiser Norman Hsu, Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign abruptly announced late today that it was returning $850,000 from 260 donors associated with Hsu.

The announcement was made five minutes after the Los Angeles Times asked Clinton officials to respond to mid-June campaign e-mails the newspaper obtained that dismissed concerns about Hsu and his business practices.

"I can tell you with 100 [sic] certainty that Norman Hsu is NOT involved in a ponzi scheme," wrote Samantha Wolf, who had the title West Coast finance director for the campaign. She has since left the campaign. "He is COMPLETELY legit." She wrote the e-mail in June to a party official who was asking questions about Hsu and his reputation in the financial world.

Now, I will give Clinton a break, because if she knew all that was going on with him, I am sure she would have broke the relationship a long time ago.  But this man, was something else.  And many others took monies from this man, and many including Obama, Kerry donated the tainted funds.  But I can tell you they are not giving back almost one million dollars!!  Really, how did Clinton let this happen?

What was Hsu really up to?

For the last 15 years, California authorities have been trying to figure out what happened to a businessman named Norman Hsu, who pleaded no contest to grand theft, agreed to serve up to three years in prison and then seemed to vanish.

"He is a fugitive," Ronald Smetana, who handled the case for the state attorney general, said in an interview. "Do you know where he is?"

Hsu, it seems, has been hiding in plain sight, at least for the last three years.

Since 2004, one Norman Hsu has been carving out a prominent place of honor among Democratic fundraisers. He has funneled hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions into party coffers, much of it earmarked for presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

How did this man ingratiate himself with the democrats?  Is the cashier check that important, before depositing it?  What happened to background check, financial check, business check?  I don't think anyone did any CHECKS.  They were all worried about just depositing CHECKS.

Next.  Here we go with outsourcing, AGAIN.  Here we go again when Clinton makes speeches to pander to different constituents.  What do you believe?  Take this outsourcing speech to Ohio or Michigan, in a JOB FORUM, you will get an earful.

When Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton flew to New Delhi to meet with Indian business leaders in 2005, she offered a blunt assessment of the loss of American jobs across the Pacific. "There is no way to legislate against reality," she declared. "Outsourcing will continue. . . . We are not against all outsourcing; we are not in favor of putting up fences."

Two years later, as a Democratic presidential hopeful, Clinton struck a different tone when she told students in New Hampshire that she hated "seeing U.S. telemarketing jobs done in remote locations far, far from our shores."

The two speeches delivered continents apart highlight the delicate balance the senator from New York, a dedicated free-trader, is seeking to maintain as she courts two competing constituencies: wealthy Indian immigrants who have pledged to donate and raise as much as $5 million for her 2008 campaign and powerful American labor unions that are crucial to any Democratic primary victory.


No wonder the labor unions are looking at Clinton with high skepticism, and they should.  This is something that NO UNION MEMBER want to read.  How good outsourcing is for you.

Y'all better think about Edwards.

Update [2007-9-10 23:35:1 by iamready]: This is how the scam worked, here.

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Ah, Slim, re an Obama supporter. (2.00 / 2)

Everyone knows this.  So why would you tell people to consider Edwards?

This was handled excellently by Hillary.  This guy is a major Dem fundraiser, but she chooses to give back every donation the man collected to avoid any dirty money.  Further, she hires more staff to vigorously vet her Hillraisers.  Sorry, this really isn't a negative story, Edna.


by bookgrl on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 10:41:39 PM EST

Don't you think it would have (2.00 / 1)

been better for her campaign to give this back when they first found out he was a fugitive and wanted criminal?

Instead of stalling and stalling and hoping it would go away, they should have done the right thing from the beginning.


by okamichan13 on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 10:51:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't you think it would have (2.00 / 2)

It is Edwards who is stalling.  He has a corrupt donor whose money he is keeping until the guy is found guilty. We all know how long that will take.

Don't you think that the Clinton campaign giving Hsu's money to charity and then investigating who else was connected to him might take a few weeks?

Come on, you know you are being ridiculous.
This is just one more reason I can't wait for Edwards to drop out of the race.  It's coming, we all know it and it can't happen soon enough.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 11:45:10 PM EST
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Re: Don't you think it would have (2.00 / 1)

I'm trying to dig out that article. He first told the press he would return the money. The the media stopped paying attention to him, his campaign backtracked and said they would only return the money when that crook was actually indicted.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 12:00:07 AM EST
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Re: Don't you think it would have (none / 0)

I'm trying to dig out that article. He first told the press he would return the money. The the media stopped paying attention to him, his campaign backtracked and said they would only return the money when that crook was actually indicted.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 12:00:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

At present the cases are not comparable (2.00 / 2)

Do Clinton supporters understand the difference between indictment and conviction?  In America one is innocent until proven guilty.  I would think the impeachment imbroglio would have driven that lesson home.

Do Clinton supporters understand that the emails reveal that her campaign knew early of the problem while the prosecutor in the Feiger case stated publicly the Edwards campaign knew nothing and did nothing wrong?

Noticed that two posters that rake Edwards over the coals for the alleged appearance of hypocrisy ignore the clear hypocrisy the diary reveals about outsourcing.  Why the silence on Clinton's outsourcing hypocrisy?

Clean your own house before spreading mud.


"We live entangled in webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC
by Trond Jacobsen on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 09:26:06 AM EST
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Re: At present the cases are not comparable (2.00 / 1)

Of course, the cases aren't comparable!
Hillaries try to bury the fact that the Clintons REFUSED to return dirty money until AFTER the FBI began investigating. Only NOW are they beginning to scrutinize their bundlers and HillRaisers.

OTOH - as soon as the Hsu deal surfaced, Edwards campaign ramped up procedures.

This doesn't look good....

>>>One investor said she made donations solely to stay in Hsu's good graces and knew others who did so as well.

"They knew they had to do it or they were out," said the investor, who asked to remain anonymous. "There were people who maxed out every credit card they had to give the maximum $4,600 in donations."

She said she opposed Clinton's presidential bid but gave money to her campaign anyway. "I can't stand the woman," the investor said.


Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:42:26 AM EST
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There's nothing excellent about the Clintons (2.00 / 1)

REFUSING to return dirty money until AFTER the FBI began investigating. The Clintons knew about Hsu last June.
Relinquishing $850K will not hurt them financially. And it wouldn't hurt Obama either to return ALL his dirty $20K+ Hsu donations. But so far - he's refused.
Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:59:20 AM EST
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Re: Ah, Slim, re an Obama supporter. (2.00 / 1)

Well, is spite of the fact that the campaign has returned the contributions, albeit with the proviso that the individual contributors could make new donations, don't expect any answers to the real question in the Hsu case.  Hsu's illegal investment scheme was, in fact, a campaign contribution scam, wasn't it?  From the Washington Post:


Clinton's campaign chairman, Terence R. McAuliffe, declined requests to explain how Hsu had become so prominent in her fundraising.

John Solomon and Anne E. Kornblut Washington Post Sep 11, 07

And they had been warned:


A report emerged yesterday that the Clinton campaign ignored warnings about Hsu. Earlier this summer, Democratic Party officials raised questions with the campaign about whether Hsu had been involved in an illegal Ponzi scheme, according to a source familiar with the exchange. (The Los Angeles Times first reported yesterday that a Clinton finance director for the West Coast brushed aside questions about Hsu.)

The source, who would speak only on the condition of anonymity, said the Clinton finance team did a second search of public records looking for any problems based on the allegations and found none. The campaign did not directly talk to Hsu about the allegations, the source said.

John Solomon and Anne E. Kornblut Washington Post Sep 11, 07

Another case of don't ask, don't tell?  This situtation has brought similar 90's Clinton fund-raising problems to the attention of the national media, including the Charlie Trie and Johnny Chung stories, remember?  The Trie case is remarkably similar.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 05:15:44 PM EST
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Re: Ah, Slim, re an Obama supporter. (none / 0)

It does and if you want to refresh your memory:

Talk about déjà vu. Pressed by questions about a scandal-tarred fundraiser, a candidate named Clinton decides to return hundreds of thousands of dollars. The politician's operation promises to conduct criminal background checks on big fundraisers in the future. And it leaks its decisions at night after a busy day in hopes of burying the news and minimizing the damage.

In 1997, the pol, of course, was Bill Clinton and the tainted money came from folks such as John Huang, Charlie Trie, Johnny Chung and Pauline Kanchanalak. A decade later, it's Hillary Rodham Clinton's turn to write refund checks to deflect attention from a bundler named Norman Hsu. Few American political families in modern times have proved as adept at raising money -- or as practiced at the art of giving it back if it comes with too much baggage.

Full Story, HERE.


by iamready on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 06:05:55 PM EST
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Re: My God (none / 0)

All I said is that it had brought these past incidents to the attention of the media, and it had.  Read today's article in the Washington Post for yourself.  I agree with your characterisation of right-wing attacks and framing vis a vis Hillary's campaign but in this case it seems they have done the damage themselves without the help of any Obamaites.  In fact, I saw relatively little attention paid to this subject until Hillary supporters attempted to equate Hsu's role in both Obama's and Hillary's campaign, which is clearly not the case.

While we are on the topic, why wouldn't they have cleared this matter up in June, for example?  No-one would have done anything but praise her campaign if that had occurred, and the past history would have been completely laid to rest.  This is an own goal I'm afraid and you can't really blame  overzealous supporters of other candidates.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 08:13:50 PM EST
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Re: this is right wing and msm manna (none / 0)

I agree that our fund-raising process and the personalities involved don't speak well for any campaign if examined too closely and this election has already had it's share of incidents involving all significant candidates.  All the more reason to promote an overhaul of the campaign finance reform which we have jettisoned in the interest of greater volumes of donor contributions for longer election cycles.  I might point out that Senator Obama has led on this issue, even to the extent of getting an FEC ruling on returning to public campaign funding in the general election if his opponent agrees.

But Hsu wasn't just another donor inside the rope line, he bundled monies amounting to almost 2% of Hillary's total war chest.  And the allegation that some of these donations apparently came from people of modest income raises questions that the media simply can't resist pursuing.  

My question to you is what could have possibly motivated her team to ignore the warnings they apparently received in June about Hsu?  I don't expect her to vet every donor or contribution, but with specific doubts raised about Hsu this seems to me to be an error in judgement or a calculated gamble which really should be the issue.  Why attempt to proscribe discussion of the matter among loyal Democrats?  How can anyone expect these setbacks to be avoided in the absence of debate, irrespective of our loyalty to a candidate or the party?  I take your point that though I am quite partisan and no supporter of Hillary's, to say the least, I may very well be hoping she wins the general election if she is nominated.  But that doesn't necessarily mean this issue, specifically regarding her campaign team's judgement in the matter, is out-of-bounds, does it?


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 09:47:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: how? (none / 0)

Well, the argument seems to be shifting from campaign contributions to impugning the character and motives of a Democratic candidate using the very kind of themes you rightly find so objectionable in Hillary's case.  Hmmm...

So be it.  The point for me is that lobbyist contributions and a vigorous debate on the nature of the 'system' is front-and-centre in this primary campaign and most of your cautionary statements tend to support the reformist view by at least raising doubts about the nature of the process and the integrity of the participants.  I suppose your defence would be that Edwards and Obama are hypocrites just trying to score some points off Hillary.  But it must not be easy for Edwards or Obama to attempt to create a platform for reform and get elected within the system they are criticising.  I respect them both for that effort and am not surprised that the standard response from the establishment is to accuse them of hypocrisy but I certainly wouldn't like to think that the system is so bad that such reforms could never be proposed or undertaken.  That would be a terrible state of affairs.  Do you think reform is indicated given your insider experience in these matters?

Hillary's response is to simply say 'Trust me' on the grounds of her past performance.  Trust her that she isn't influenced by lobbyist contributions, trust her that lobbyists are promoting the aspirations of ordinary Americans, like the teachers and the Sierra Club.  Trust her that pharmaceutical companies will not influence the health care proposals she will be making soon.  Fair enough.  That places an exceptionally high value on her judgement in the absence of any transparency.  And then something like this comes along.  The issue would probably not be so important if she hadn't made our trust part of her platform.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 10:29:12 PM EST
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Re: are you actually pretending (none / 0)

Do you really think that the Washington Post article I cited was a plant by the Obama campaign team?  As if the media hasn't been handling Hillary with kid gloves this time around.  Are you suggesting that this is the result of opposition research?  The FBI manhunt for Hsu and all?  I wonder.  If you have any evidence then let's hear it.

And as for the Rezko case, by your own admission it has nothing to do with this campaign.  But Hillary will be our saviour once again and make any further discussion unnecessary.  I note with some discomfort that you feel that Hillary's past is off-limits to loyal Democrats but Obama's is fair game.  Is it that simple?


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:20:11 PM EST
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Re: what are you smoking? (none / 0)

Sorry, but if the Rezko story had "legs", Team Clinton would be all over it.  This is a story that the feds investigated for over 4 years.  If Barack Obama had anything to do with this, he would be busy making his "court appointments", instead of running for POTUS.

This story has been out there forever, this Hsu thing would not have been anything, if the LA Times had not contacted the Clinton Campaign and told them of the "email" they had from her camp letting on of its supporters know that Hsu was "100%" legit.  This is when the money, the huge money unloading, commenced.

She did the right thing, because it was the only thing to do.


by iamready on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:43:16 PM EST
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Re: what are you smoking? (none / 0)

Maybe I'm wrong about the kid gloves thing but it seemed to me they thought her candidacy was pretty credible and are treating her as a serious candidate who they may need access to in years to come.  In any case it was not the point I hoped I was making.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 02:10:28 AM EST
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Re: well, you are (none / 0)

I note with interest that your assertion that this story was a plant by the Obama campaign now has been reinforced by the Hsu suicide note story you diarised.  That is an amazingly quick vindication of your position, though an unsubstantiated allegation.

Did you have some insider knowledge on this story or are you just a master of political prophecy?


by Shaun Appleby on Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 08:23:35 PM EST
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OK. NOW THAT"S IT. (2.00 / 3)

You two are both making fools of yourself.  Slim, you wold never pull this stuff on dkos.  If you don't respect this site then stop coming here, but posting other two or three different names here is being a sockpuppet.  You know this.

Areyouready, your info dump is the height of immaturity and you do a disservice to Hillary.

Boy, looks like you two both need a time out.  Pathetic.


by bookgrl on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 10:51:04 PM EST

Re: 850,000, YES, 850K!! Being Dumped by Clinton (none / 0)

Well, I do think the outsourcing issue needs attention, but I also agree w/ the initial statement made by Clinton in 2005 as cited by slim above.

I would refer you to more recent statements she made to her Indian donors in CA:


In a satellite TV address to a conference of Indian business leaders gathered in Santa Clara, California, Clinton said Friday that many global businesses are eager to sell to American consumers, while at the same time American jobs are being exported to lower wage countries.

Offshoring eliminates good-paying jobs in the U.S. and threatens the middle class, she said. While the U.S. accounts for only 5 percent of the world's population, it accounts for about 20 percent of the world's gross domestic product, a measure of economic activity.

"Countries around the world rely on our marketplace and Americans are literally fueling economic growth throughout the world," Clinton said. "We can promote shared prosperity and a race to the top, not to the bottom."

To date, the only regulatory measure I've heard her discuss is the Kerry-esque removal of tax incentives for companies that outsource.

If anyone has details on how Obama or Edwards differ from Clinton on outsourcing -- with specifics -- I'd love to hear about it


by dblhelix on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 11:04:52 PM EST

Re: 850,000, YES, 850K!! Being Dumped by Clinton (2.00 / 1)

This is a stupid as shit diary. Hillary is doing the right thing and idiots try to make it look as if she has done something wrong. Grow up and get a brain.


by DoIT on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 11:29:27 PM EST

Re: 850,000, YES, 850K!! Being Dumped by Clinton (2.00 / 1)

You should have seen people talking about how her giving the 4600 back was all she needed to do.  When obviously it is a lot deeper of a connection than people were talking about.  She returned 850k, not 4.6k.  Huge difference.  The people blogging saying things were square were wrong, and it is obvious because the Clinton campaign went well beyond what was "square" to the bloggers in support of Clinton.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 11:37:47 PM EST
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Re: 850,000, YES, 850K!! (2.00 / 1)

If you think this is some sort of "watershed" moment that turns the tide for your loser candidate, you are sadly mistaken and in for yet another rude awakening and disappointment.  No one is going to drop or turn away from Hillary because of this.


by reasonwarrior on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 12:00:47 AM EST

Re: 850,000, YES, 850K!! (2.00 / 2)

Of course this means nothing.  That is why she is in Florida, fundraising and forum pandering to make up for the 850K.  She need to come here to Iowa, because there were quite a few at the grocery store talking about this in Des Moines.


by shirley temple on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 12:08:19 AM EST
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Re: 850,000, YES, 850K!! (2.00 / 1)

Come on, now this is sock puppeting.  Everyone knows you are iamready, AND you don't live in Des Moines.  Stop this already.


by bookgrl on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 12:10:40 AM EST
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Re: 850,000, YES, 850K!! (none / 0)

Wow.  Good night all.


by tracey webb on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 12:13:10 AM EST
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Oh boy, webb too? (2.00 / 1)


by bookgrl on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 12:38:22 AM EST
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Re: Oh boy, webb too? (2.00 / 2)

Your friend AreyouReady is the biggest sock puppet around here...He's benn banned on 3 different occasion.


by JaeHood on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 01:24:36 AM EST
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Re: 850,000, YES, 850K!! (none / 0)

Did anyone noticed the Clintons picked tonight to get rid of the money?..The Patraeus Iraq news is big so i suspect they are hoping no one notices the Hsu money

I'm sure the Clinton werent too pleased in giving up almost $1 million dollar...Then im not they're not too happy Oprah just raised $3 million for Obama last sunday.


by JaeHood on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 01:31:11 AM EST

Re: 850,000, YES, 850K!! (none / 0)

Actually, I think it was closer to 4 mill after it was all tallied up. Think I read 3.8.


by dblhelix on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 01:53:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 850,000, YES, 850K!! (none / 0)

That's just direct contributions from each attendee, not bundlers, correct?


by Dee on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 12:20:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 850,000, YES, 850K!! (none / 0)

Hsu gave a fundraiser for Obama in 2005 - raising $23K - which Obama is not returning.
Why not?
Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:48:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 850,000, YES, 850K!! (none / 0)

Co-Hosted.  Not gave.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:57:03 AM EST
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Re: 850,000, YES, 850K!! (none / 0)

Can't knock her for having a great communications team.  They know how to generate good news and how to lessen the impact of bad news.  I just wish we had her comm's team on Obama's staff.


by Dee on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 12:21:42 PM EST
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Re: 850,000, YES, 850K!! Being Dumped by Clinton (none / 0)

What I'd like to know is what Norman Hsu expected in return for his $850K (he doesn't strike me as the selfless activist type). It's a good bet the Clintons know what he wanted, but I'm not sure we ever will.
http://unitedagainsthillary.wordpress.co m
by SunWolf78 on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 05:33:51 AM EST

When will Obama get clear? (2.00 / 2)

Clinton has returned all of the Hsu associated money, $850k is at least 200 donors but probably over 500. Hsu and most of his donors donated to multiple campaigns.

Obama finally sent the Hsu money to charity, when will he return the rest? Why does he always wait for Hillary before he takes action on these ethical issues?


by souvarine on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 07:00:05 AM EST

Re: When will Obama get clear? (none / 0)

Waiting on Hillary?  Hillary's camp knew about this questionable figure in June.  Take a lead.  This was a Hillraiser.  It is quite obvious the only thing that was cared about was depositing his 850K he brought to the table.  No one can equate almost 1M dumped, due to campaign negligence.  It was, I don't blame Clinton, but her finance team who knew people were questioning this person.  All other democrats amounts are clearly no where as large as this.  And I applaud Clinton's team for now doing background checks.  If the other camps are not doing it, I would suggest they do.


by iamready on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:53:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: When will Obama get clear? (none / 0)

"Why does he always wait for Hillary before he takes action on these ethical issues?"

What follow the leader ethical issues are you referring to?


by Dee on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 03:25:24 PM EST
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Re: When will Obama get clear? (2.00 / 1)

Sending Hsu's donations to charity (Obama waited for almost a week after Clinton decided) and returning donations Hsu solicited.


by souvarine on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 06:55:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Iam (2.00 / 3)

pretty funny how hillary Co.  tried to equate the 5,000 to Obama PAC with bundling 850,000 from people like the Paws


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 08:21:15 AM EST

Re: Iam (2.00 / 3)

I don't take issue with Hillary Clinton accepting donations or fund-raising help from Hsu if they truly didn't know of his conviction.  I do however take issue with the ridiculous defense of Hsu's relationship with the Paws.  There were MANY on this board who made the ridiculous claim that there was nothing unusual about a working class family, living in a small crowded house, donating more to a political campaign than the patriarch earned in one year.  Someone even called it a Chinese witch hunt, which was outrageous. It has nothing to do with race or ethnicity.  As an African Amerian, I would have been no less suspicious if the Paws of San Francisco were the Johnsons of South Central LA.  There is no way in hell that a working class family--not under duress or suffering from collective insanity--would donate tens of thousands of dollars to a political campaign and remain in cramped living conditions.  It was an absurd defense.  Why not just say from day one that it didn't pass the smell test and give the money back?  It would have been a closed story.  Instead Wolfson's defense was "Obama took money too."


by Dee on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 12:10:59 PM EST
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Re: Iam (2.00 / 1)

The Clintons have always made a distinction between lying and not being forthcoming with the truth.


by Dee on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 12:15:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Did Hsu help her buy a house or give stock tips? (2.00 / 2)

Inquiring minds want to know.

By the by, did Obama give back the money that came through his supporter, Norman Hsu?  


by dpANDREWS on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 08:41:26 AM EST

YES. (none / 0)

He gave 24.5K total for Obama's PAC fund, all pre-presidential.  He has turned in 7K, but unclear of the rest.  I contacted his campaign and was told all monies will be donated to charity.  Awaiting the pr, as we know, when you have to relinquish monies you try to keep it quiet.  But again, the story is not that the money was given back, of course it has to be.  It is the amount large amount amassed to almost 1M, that is the story.  And look for more to be dumped, as this unwinds.  Transparency is needed for all the bundlers.  Who are they?  Their background?  And are they con-men, or FELONS?


by iamready on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:46:10 AM EST
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Re: YES. (none / 0)

I don't understand why Obama won't return ALL Hsu related donations. As the article references - some of the investors "had" to contribute to politicians via Hsu - or else.
Returning ALL the money would be the ethical thing to do.
Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 11:54:39 AM EST
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