Has the Clinton Camp Woke Up? Iowa Does Matter.

I have been watching politics for a while now and I do like to strategize, as the next, no big deal.  But as the fall is setting in, folk are waking up to the upcoming primaries.  And no one more so than Iowans, the first to set the tone.

Clinton has run a good, solid campaign.  One on her strong name recognition, coupled with good debate performances, but there is always that "but" about her.

Well, sitting here reading and drinking my coffee, I stumble across this little tidbit.

Terry McAuliffe, On a Mission.  Umm, Mr. Rolex himself in Iowa.  Why?  Let's jump.

The scene did not exactly reek of triumph. Just two dozen supporters had gathered at the union hall perched between a welding company and a gas station in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. The room was two-thirds empty, the sign-up sheets on the walls blank. But that did not deter Terry McAuliffe, the hyperkinetic chairman of Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, as he tucked into his speech at the seventh event of his long day. "The campaign is on fire. We're doing great," McAuliffe told the room.

Campaign on fire?  Empty union hall?  OK.  What other kool-aid is available for us to drink.

But McAuliffe wasn't resting on his laurels. "What happens in your state here is going to be a huge determinant of who the Democratic nominee for president is," he said. "Don't believe the polls. Four of the last six polls have put Hillary in the lead here. But we're not in first place. We're bunched up in a three-way tie ... We've got to run like we're 20 points behind."

McAuliffe's pitch is a sign of both the strength and the weakness of the Clinton campaign in Iowa.

Yes, I agree with this.  Everyone points at national poll numbers, but what do they mean?  Nothing at this point.  When you are in a three way race in Iowa and can be beaten in Iowa, what then?  You can not embrace the "strongest campaign" mantra, nor "inevitablity" that will be blown to the wind.  So, now the Clinton Campaign has just found out that the State of Iowa, does matter.  And they are coming around that they need to win there.

A defeat in the first-in-the-nation caucus could imperil her lead in other early states, if the pattern of previous elections is repeated. And an early loss would raise serious questions about her campaign's biggest selling point: that she is strongest, most electable candidate in the field.

Again, all the squirms that many democrats have with her publicly and privately, will be out in the open.  And then that horrible word "electablity" will be on everyone's tongue.  Which could be, the beginning of the end for her.

Even Clinton's supporters in Iowa are nervous. Wally Horn, an Iowa state senator from Cedar Rapids, introduced McAuliffe at the union hall Wednesday evening. Horn, who has spent 35 years in the legislature, signed up with the campaign after persistent pressure from the candidate's husband during the Clintons' first campaign swing together in early July.

"He asked me three times in 15 minutes," Horn said, recalling that Clinton had visited him as a sitting president in 1994. Clinton's finger-wagging message for Horn was simple: "I want you to be for Hillary." But Horn sounds more supportive of Bill than of Hillary. "You know when he walks in the room; you don't need to look around, you just know he's there," he said. "What's so sad, for me anyway, is he tries to hide it now because of Hillary. He can explode a room, but he has to keep low and small."

Horn says he's convinced that Hillary is ready to be president. He just isn't sure that Iowans can be trusted to vote for her, even when they say they like her. "I was a [Dick] Gephardt supporter before, but people didn't show up at the precinct caucus," he said, referring to the former House Democratic leader from Missouri in the 2004 caucuses. "In Iowa, people are so nice they'll tell you they support you, but then they don't show up.

Wow.  Iowans are nice.  I went to school two years there.  Some of the nicest folk there.  I believe they will say one thing and then not show up.  Don't want to be impolite.  Which is why this statement below is a calling card, not only for Obama but Edwards, as well.

"This is what concerns me about Hillary. You almost know it's a natural for people to get out for Obama to the precinct caucus. But Hillary is going to have to get her people there, and it's not a natural."

Yes.  All the campaigns have to get their people out to the caucus.  But this is about which camp is more fired up.  I think it is the Edwards and Obama Camps.  There have been problems on the ground for Clinton, but more importantly she does not seem to be making traction in this state as it is reflected in the national polling.  That is a problem.

Which means she need to set up shop in Iowa.  She need to get out of Washington, D.C. and get real with the public in Iowa.  She need to sit down with the editorial boards of the local papers and get grilled.  Edwards and Obama is going through this process.  Why?  Because she has been called out about it on national television by local reporters in Iowa and New Hampshire.  Stop the rallys.  Stop not answering pointed questions.  Get real with the people.  If the people do not believe what you are selling, they will smile politely and go to someone who they do believe.

Yes.  They have just figured out, that they need to win Iowa.  And I believe that, too.

Update [2007-10-6 18:24:45 by iamready]:

Clinton on Leadership or Lack of It:

So far her post-first-lady record suggests a follower rather than a leader. She still can't offer a credible explanation of why she gave President Bush the authority to go to war in Iraq (or why she voted against the Levin amendment that would have put on some diplomatic brakes). That's because her votes had more to do with hedging her political bets than with principle. Nor has she explained why it took her two years of the war going south to start speaking up against it. She was similarly tardy with her new health care plan, waiting to see what heat Mr. Edwards and Senator Obama took with theirs. She has lagged behind the Democratic curve on issues ranging from the profound (calling for an unequivocal ban on torture) to the trivial (formulating a response to the MoveOn.org Petraeus ad).
LINK
From diary on daily kos

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Re: Has the Clinton Camp Woke Up? Iowa Does Matte (none / 0)

Wow .

Thank you for your concern about Hillary Clinton.


When I speak I have a southern drawl.. When you come down here Stop and say hello I'm an American from south of the Mason Dixon line
by lori on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 03:02:23 PM EST

Re: Has the Clinton Camp Woke Up? Iowa Does Matte (none / 0)

u are very welcome.


by iamready on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 03:03:25 PM EST
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However I think you raise some solid points in there .

But you have to understand that there is a strategy to everything .

Between August 1 - September 30 Obama had 39 events in Iowa , Clinton had 15 and Edwards had 54 . Every campaign has its strategy , for Clinton she decided to focus on her job in the senate and get ready for crunch time oct - jan , you know the period when everyone including obama/edwards supporters on this site say people start payin attention , and she relied on her name recognition in to hold her up , I would say she has had a good return for the choice she made because she is either tied or in the lead with limited events in Iowa.

Obama chose to campaign heavily early on hoping to lock down the votes before clinton gets there and since he is new he had to introduce himself to voters , the trade off is all the votes he has missed in the senate , so I agree with his strategy too and it has brought him up in the polls , so they both picked the right strategy .

As for Edwards he has all the time in the world so he can move to Iowa and you can see that with the number of trips he has taken there , but he has to be worried because his polls are dropping a bit.

So they know what they are doing , this is the last and most important part of the race and you will see more of her in Iowa.


When I speak I have a southern drawl.. When you come down here Stop and say hello I'm an American from south of the Mason Dixon line
by lori on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 03:13:54 PM EST
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I agree with you (none / 0)

And, what do the polls show from August 1 - Sept 30?

There were 10 polls http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/ia/iowa_democratic_caucus -208.html#polls  

Three show Edwards ahead, one shows Obama ahead, and six show Clinton ahead. The RCP rolling average for the entire month of September is +3.5% for Clinton; and that number has grown throughout the month, the one poll with Obama ahead notwithstanding.

It's clear that Iowans are learning about Clinton from more than just visits. They are watching the debates and forums like everyone else.

BTW, Clinton will be spending a lot of time in Iowa this month.


by SF Bay on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 03:51:07 PM EST
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Inevitability (2.00 / 1)

I, for one, am very happy for her to continue banging the inevitability drum.


by horizonr on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 09:27:23 PM EST
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Re: Has the Clinton Camp Woke Up? Iowa Does Matte (none / 0)

Kudos! I am growing convinced that Hillary will wind up winning Iowa b/c she has the best team in town, Teresa Vilman, who has been with victorious campaigns in the past and former Gov. Vilsack, who surely knows alot about Iowa as he went through the process himself.


by American1989 on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 03:04:09 PM EST
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Re: Has the Clinton Camp Woke Up? Iowa Does Matte (none / 0)

Weren't you the one in knots last night about Clinton loosing in Iowa?  Clinton's main problem is coupled in Iowa.  The War in Iraq.  This is a huge problem with her in Iowa.  Many view her out of touch, who looks corporate.  Look at how she is running her campaign?  Top down from her mansion in Washington, D.C.  Look she was FORCED by Edwards to start presenting proposals.  And what does she do?  Copy Edwards plan, damn near vebatim and word for word.  Everyday she looks more like a talking robot.  And Todd Bennett is right.  After her lobbyist luncheon, and her business as usual to these companies?  There is a clear difference out there.  We don't need to turn back the clock.  We need to turn the page.


by iamready on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 03:08:38 PM EST
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Many view her out of touch, who looks corporate

 - Thats just not right to put it mildly. What is your evidence of that ?

Everyday she looks more like a talking robot.

- That's just ridiculous.


When I speak I have a southern drawl.. When you come down here Stop and say hello I'm an American from south of the Mason Dixon line
by lori on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 03:17:01 PM EST
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I think that Sen. Clinton will wind up winning the election in IA. Obama has the "enthusiasm", but it is very hard to predict what will happen next.

I think that Edwards will pose a serious challenge to Obama than Clinton and Richardson will jump with Clinton and make a pact with her, like Kucinich did with Edwards and then run for the U.S. Senate.

He knows that he will be worthless after 2010, when he will retire; he wants to be involved and the best way to do that is if he runs for Senate and lets Diane Denish, the Lt. Gov. take over!


by American1989 on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 03:06:11 PM EST

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a lot of Iowa depends on how everyone else breaks in the end -- where are Richardson supporters going to go in the districts where he doesnt make it? Dood? Biden? Obama (in some districts, but not most)? Biden?

It will be very close in the end between Edwards and Clinton IMO


Rise, Hillary, Rise
by sepulvedaj3 on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 09:58:05 PM EST
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For the record (none / 0)

Senator Clinton has done lengthy interviews with the editorial boards of the state's two biggest newspapers, the Des Moines Register and the Quad City Times.


by hwc on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 03:17:18 PM EST

BFD - when was the last time she took a question (none / 0)

from a voter in an open public forum, free and open to the public so that others may judge the voter's question and her answer and possibly get the chance to ask one themselves.

I'm interested in actual, most recent dates when the last time she put herself out such as I described above.


by merbex on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 04:00:52 PM EST
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when was the last time she took a question (none / 0)

A week ago Sunday. She was on five Sunday interview shows.


by hwc on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 11:02:53 PM EST
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From the PUBLIC (none / 0)

not the press!!!!

Someone needs to re-examine their reading comprehension ability:

from a voter in an open public forum, free and open to the public so that others may judge the voter's question and her answer and possibly get the chance to ask one themselves.

I'm interested in actual, most recent dates when the last time she put herself out such as I described above.

Operative word in my query: voter

When. was. the. last. time. she. took. a. question. from. a. VOTER.

Hint : blog event she nearly got to skip.

But for this purpose I will refine the question- when was the last time she took a question from a voter from NH or Iowa in a free and open forum whereby the voter did not have to pay to get into her event, and both the question and the answer were plainly on display so that the whole audience present could hear, and record by choice if they so chose to or even perhaps raise their hand to maybe be called upon by Hillary Clinton the candidate?

When was that most recent occurance?


by merbex on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 07:42:26 AM EST
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The simple truth is, Hillary Clinton doesn't need to win in Iowa to secure the nomination.  She is far enough ahead in the other early states that Iowa just isn't that important for her. I won't bother with a list of nominees who won the nomination without winning Iowa - you all know it by heart.

More importantly, it's quite possible for Iowa to end up only a few days before NH instead of weeks before.  That severely limits the bounce that anyone could get from an Iowa win. I would go so far as to suggest that your reasoning is entirely backward:  it's not Clinton who's in trouble, but Edwards. He's been camped out in Iowa for the last 3 years, and by all rights, he should be 20 points ahead of everyone else.  Obama apparently has the best ground organization, yet the polls continue to show Clinton either gaining ground in Iowa or pretty much even. At this point it's anyone's to win, but Clinton will survive without Iowa very easily.  It will be more difficult for Obama to survive and almost impossible for Edwards.


Yes, I am a Clintonista for Obama.
by Denny Crane on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 03:18:11 PM EST

Gonna put dat boy down!!! (none / 0)

Yeah, she'll cut a deal with the rest of the old gaurd to put that youngin' Obama back in his place. Go Hill-dog!!!!


by NewNoir on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 03:35:11 PM EST

woken up (none / 0)

'woken up', not 'woke up'...

You like to brag about your English, maybe it's time to correct the title?


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 03:38:38 PM EST

Re: woken up (none / 0)

never bragged about my english and the title is there for a reason.  mr. cut & paste.


by iamready on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 04:27:26 PM EST
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Re: woken up (none / 0)

I would rather she stay asleep and believe her polls right now.  

Don't lets wake her and her campaign up.   Shhhhhh.  Soft music please.


I am an Edwards Democrat. Visit EENR blog for Progressives
by pioneer111 on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 07:21:46 PM EST
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Re: woken up (none / 0)

oh come on is anyone seriously thinking HRC isnt prepared for a tough drawn out fight in Iowa???


Rise, Hillary, Rise
by sepulvedaj3 on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 09:59:17 PM EST
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following her plan (none / 0)

You may recall that the campaign decided to contest Iowa when the Mike Henry Iowa memo was leaked and they scheduled the Bill & Hill Iowa tour. Clinton does not need to win Iowa to win the nomination, but as she says she is in it to win it.

While the decision to contest Iowa no doubt required revamping their campaign strategy, Clinton does things on her own schedule. It looks like she and Bill toured Iowa to line up support, spent the rest of the summer building an organization there, and now she is returning to fight for the state.

Her campaign's Iowa moves do not strike me as reactive, given that they announced what they would do months ago.


by souvarine on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 03:53:43 PM EST

Re: Has the Clinton Camp Woke Up? (none / 0)

Well, someone in Obama's campaign said they don't even consider Edwards a threat because he won't have any money to compete in the other states if he wins and I tend to agree with that.

People are crowing about Iowa deciding it all because it's about the only place Hillary is not leading so what else can they say?  Hillary has not been there much and as people have noted, she is about equal with the rest of them- once she and Bill spend more time there, I am confident she will surge to the top just like she has everywhere else.


NY TIMES ENDORSEMENT: "Mrs. Clinton is more qualified, right now, to be president.... She would be a strong commander in chief."
by reasonwarrior on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 04:00:35 PM EST

Re: Has the Clinton Camp Woke Up? (none / 0)

Why is Bill a factor?  Can she not run on her own?  That may be an issue here.  Many are starting to seperate them, though they may love BC, not so crazy about HRC.  This is could be a factor that is happening.


by iamready on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 04:26:46 PM EST
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Re: Has the Clinton Camp Woke Up? (none / 0)

Why is Michelle a factor?  Why is Elizabeth a factor?  Please.


Yes, I am a Clintonista for Obama.
by Denny Crane on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 08:26:12 PM EST
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Terry McAuliffe drew 2 dozen? (none / 0)

I'd say that is a huge crowd for Terry.  1 dozen probably thought there going to meet a famous former hostage.

Lets see what kind of crowds Hillary draws in upcoming swing through Iowa.

I suggest that you Obama folks remember who you are dealing with.  Remember the campaign that said they had a ho-hum fundraising haul in the 3rd Q.  

Hillary Clinton scoped up a couple of the best Iowa operators in the biz to run her ground game.  Something tells me she has a plan.


by dpANDREWS on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 05:31:11 PM EST

Re: Terry McAuliffe drew 2 dozen? (none / 0)

tell your girl to move to a FARM, or she won't win this.


by iamready on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 05:51:36 PM EST
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Re: Terry McAuliffe drew 2 dozen? (none / 0)

tell your girl to move to a FARM, or she won't win this.


by iamready on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 05:51:45 PM EST
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Classic Clinton (none / 0)

Lowering expectation a day before a poll comes out showing her with a nice lead.  You have to admit that Clintons now how to run a campaign.


by dpANDREWS on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 12:08:11 PM EST
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Maybe So (2.00 / 1)

Well, if that's the case having a word with Terry McAuliffe about his messaging would seem to be a part of it.  There was a short piece in the NYT recently about two, admittedly partisan, attendees at one of Terry's pep talks that found his hard sell on the inevitability of Hillary's nomination a bit over-the-top:


Indeed, Mr. McAuliffe seriously alienated two Iowa Democrats during a drop-by at the Glenn Restaurant in Manchester, Iowa, on Wednesday. One of the Democrats, though, is a county precinct captain for Barack Obama, and another one is leaning pretty seriously toward Mr. Obama -- and neither like Mrs. Clinton.

Their lack of neutrality aside, their description of some of Mr. McAuliffe's remarks was intriguing. According to the two women -- Pam Vislisel and Emma Edgington -- Mr. McAuliffe argued:

Mrs. Clinton had the Democratic nomination almost sewn up;

If the election were held now, Mrs. Clinton would win Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and enough other states to win more than 350 Electoral College votes;

Mrs. Clinton was virtually moving to Iowa during the next three months to work her tail off to win the state's first-in-the-nation nominating caucuses in January;

The Democratic nomination fight would be over after the Super-Duper Tuesday primaries on Feb. 5.

Neither woman could produce a recording of Mr. McAuliffe, nor were his remarks apparently covered by the local media. The women said in interviews that they found Mr. McAuliffe to be arrogant and boastful.

"I'm just getting a little tired of hearing -- and I hear it on the news, too -- that the election is in the bag, she's going to win, she's the only one, it's over," said Ms. Vislisel, the Obama precinct captain, who said she attended the McAuliffe event because she was curious about the Clinton campaign.

"I don't think he should be coming into Iowa and talking about she's going to win all these states," added Ms. Edgington, who is torn between Mr. Obama and former Senator John Edwards. "It just seemed arrogant."

Patrick Healy - NYT 5 Oct 07

The diarist reports that Terry's most recent pitch is more concerned with getting the message out to an unenthusiastic group that they have to run as though they were losing by 20 points.  Think somebody has had a word with him recently about the consequences of selling the inevitability meme too hard?


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 05:56:19 PM EST
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Sounds like sour grapes by Obama supporters (none / 0)

They are all mopey faced because they know that she and Bill are going to be spending a lot of time in Iowa.  And they know what that means.


by dpANDREWS on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 05:59:47 PM EST
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No to mention their guy is getting CRUSHED (none / 0)

... Getting crushed in a lot of other parts of the map.

If I were Obama supporters I'd be down too ... although I'd like to think that I wouldn't be bitter.


by dpANDREWS on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 06:00:55 PM EST
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Re: No to mention their guy is getting CRUSHED (none / 0)

The diary, and the post, was about Iowa.  And my intention in posting the piece was to see if a shift in Clinton campaign messaging could be discerned for reasons stated elsewhere.  I'm increasingly optimistic about Senator Obama's chances lately, actually, and I note a redoubled effort among his supporters perhaps influenced by concerns about his polling numbers, which are widely acknowledged.  It ain't over yet by a long shot.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 06:56:32 PM EST
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Re: Maybe So (none / 0)

Yeah, great reporting by the NYTimes. The Obama campaign trots out two Obama supporters (incuding a county chair) to give the NYTIMES "quotes" from Terry McAuliffe that the NYTIMES reporter didn't even attend.

Nice hatchet job.


by hwc on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 06:19:19 PM EST
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Re: Maybe So (none / 0)

drink some sour milk today?


by iamready on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 06:27:43 PM EST
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Re: Maybe So (none / 0)

My intention wasn't to just post the unfavourable article, as tempting as that might be I could have done that a couple of days ago, but to illustrate an apparent shift in Terry's messaging.  I have posted elsewhere that I am starting to think the inevitability meme is possibly working against Hillary for a couple of reasons and that the campaign is concerned about this.

The example of the 8% drop in her support in the recent SC poll in favour of 'no opinion' may be an early indicator of this.  Inevitability is a powerful argument, to be sure, but not if it leads to complacency among loyal supporters and indifference among the rest.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 06:45:46 PM EST
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Re: Maybe So (none / 0)

" I am starting to think the inevitability meme is possibly working against Hillary "

 - I am starting to think when I step out of my house i am going to be hit by a bus.

 Could happen or I might just be paranoid.

" The example of the 8% drop in her support in the recent SC poll in favour of 'no opinion' may be an early indicator of this "

- That just doesn't make any sense , you have to come up with something better to prove what you think.

The same polling outfit shows her increasing her lead above 50% in NJ if I am not mistaken , so how do you explain that ?

A lot of us want to think something is the case because we want it to be , but it is not always the case.

You will have to come up with something better that show a causal link between a loss in support and the " inevitability meme ".


When I speak I have a southern drawl.. When you come down here Stop and say hello I'm an American from south of the Mason Dixon line
by lori on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 07:05:29 PM EST
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Re: Maybe So (none / 0)

this means NOTHING until after Iowa.  you should know better lori.  she must win Iowa, or she is in trouble.  period.


by iamready on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 07:09:31 PM EST
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Re: Maybe So (none / 0)

BS:

The pundits don't even expect Clinton to win Iowa up against Edwards who has enjoyed commanding support in the state and Obama who has the dominant organization.

A decent third place finish is all anyone expects from Clinton in Iowa. She doesn't even have college kids from Illinois going door-to-door.


by hwc on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 07:25:06 PM EST
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nice spin (2.00 / 2)

In truth, she has Bill and the Vilsacks twisting arms, calling in every favor. She's got "the best" team and is spending money hand over fist.

No one expects Hillary to finish better than third in IA? How many people here have laughed at me for predicting she will finish third in Iowa?


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 07:37:10 PM EST
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Re: nice spin (none / 0)

That's not what the pundits say. They say that Obama has the biggest organization in Iowa. 31 field offices, they say.

Who am I to argue with what the pundits say? After all, I'm sure David Yepsen wouldn't stear me wrong just for a good story, right?


by hwc on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 08:13:22 PM EST
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Re: nice spin (none / 0)

All kidding aside. What is going on is that Edwards and Obama have their campaign poo-bahs buttonholing every member of the media they can find to tout their Iowa organizations. They have to. Iowa's all they've got.

Clinton's people are laying low. There's no reason for them to talk about their Iowa efforts to the media.

The media writes what the campaigns tell them. See the NYTIMES reporting on a Clinton event based solely on alleged quotes provided by two Obama campaign workers.


by hwc on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 08:19:14 PM EST
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Re: nice spin (none / 0)

wow, real sour milk.


by iamready on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 08:20:42 PM EST
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But... (none / 0)


Most important, she must win or come in a close second in Iowa; otherwise, her sense of inevitability will vanish.

Beth Fouhy - AP 6 Oct 07


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 10:13:06 PM EST
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Re: Maybe So (none / 0)

she must win Iowa, or she is in trouble.  period.

- No!!!

If Edwards is first , she comes in a close second , Obama third .

I don't see trouble for her.

All she has to do is make sure obama doesn't finishes ahead of her , if she loses to Edwards it is still fine.

OR

If she comes in third but the results are bunched up together , like a pretty close result , that is not a preferrable outcome but She can still get on track in New Hampshire.

OR

If Obama comes in first , she comes in third and loses by a whole lot then she is in trouble.
Lets not even ignore the calendar , the caucus is probably on Jan 3 or Jan 5 , Clinton favors the 5th and New Hampshire is probably going to be on the 8th . If scenario 1 and 2 plays out if the caucus is on the 5th there is not enough time in the news cycle to gain momentum from that besides if it is scenario 2 the press would probably talk about how close the election was.


When I speak I have a southern drawl.. When you come down here Stop and say hello I'm an American from south of the Mason Dixon line
by lori on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 07:31:56 PM EST
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Re: Maybe So (none / 0)

That is just "spin."  If she was winning Iowa and let's say losing big in New Hampshire where Edwards and Obama were doing well- their supporters would be saying "Oh- this is the worst scenario for Hillary!  If she wins Iowa and then loses New Hampshire, it will be a HUGE HIT to her campaign that she is not invincible and the others will profit from the press and she is likely to go down in flames over it."  

It's all hogwash, as of now, if she loses Iowa, she will still win the nomination.


NY TIMES ENDORSEMENT: "Mrs. Clinton is more qualified, right now, to be president.... She would be a strong commander in chief."
by reasonwarrior on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 08:06:46 PM EST
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depends on how she loses (2.00 / 1)

I tend to agree that she could ride out a close second-place finish in Iowa.

But if she ends up well behind despite bringing out Bill, the Vilsacks, having Teresa Vilmain run her campaign, etc., it will be a sign of immense weakness.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 09:23:30 PM EST
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Re: depends on how she loses (none / 0)

Not really. First Read reports that Obama has 200 paid staff in Iowa. Perhaps double the Clinton campaign.

No way Clinton can compete with a juggernaught operation like Obama's. Heck, he's so far out front that he didn't even need to bother showing up to the Democratic B-B-Q tonight. He's coasting to a big win.


by hwc on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 09:43:19 PM EST
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Re: depends on how she loses (none / 0)

Rats, so much for the inevitability meme... I knew I should have kept my mouth shut.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 09:49:07 PM EST
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Re: Maybe So (2.00 / 1)

Well, it was the SC poll result and the apparent shift in McAuliffe's position, as I mentioned, which got me thinking.  I am not trying to prove anything, as I indicated by qualifying my remarks very conditionally, but I think the poll results in IA, NH and SC are probably more significant at this time than national figures.

Look, I am not trying to convince you, far from it.  I am starting to believe that the inevitability meme is working against her, and I think her campaign may harbour some doubts too, but by all means rock on with it yourself.  I am starting to enjoy hearing about it more and more with each passing day.  It is not a perception likely to inspire sympathetic caucus-goers to get bundled up and go out on a frigid January night.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 08:37:30 PM EST
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What apparent shift in McAulife's position?


by hwc on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 08:56:38 PM EST
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From the absolute certainty of Hillary's victory in the piece I posted to the mention in the diary text of his comment about running the campaign like they were 20 points down in Iowa.  That seemed like a shift to me when I read the diary after reading the other article a few days ago.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 09:00:19 PM EST
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You keep missing the point. He didn't say anything about absolute certainty. The NYTIMES reported alleged quotes that were fed to them by a rival campaign's oppo research team. Your supposed "shift" is based on fiction.

I've heard McAuliffe. He doesn't say anything even remotely like "absolute certainty".


by hwc on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 09:45:48 PM EST
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Maybe your right, because the NYT piece did say the following:


Mr. Wolfson, who was not at the Iowa restaurant and did not hear Mr. McAuliffe's remarks, said he would be "very surprised" if Mr. McAuliffe said she had the Democratic nomination sewn up, because Mr. McAuliffe has been reported as saying that while the campaign was doing great, Mrs. Clinton was running like she was 20 points behind.

That tends to substantiate your position.  I just wasn't sure if that was a genuine observation or the first indication of a shift in messaging from the communications staff.  What do you think about the early 'skip Iowa' memo in light of the current position of Hillary in the race there?


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 09:55:50 PM EST
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Every Clinton campaign poobah I've ever heard talk about the race ALWAYS says they take nothing for granted, run like they are 20 points behind, and work hard for every vote.

That's why the two Obama campaign workers story doesn't make sense.

The NYTIMES shouldn't publish a story based on second-hand characterizations by campaign officials from a rival campaign. Look at the absurdity of it. The reporter (who wasn't there) asking questions about comments he didn't hear to a Clinton spokesman (who wasn't there). To put it generously, the story is pure vapor. To be less generous, the Times was just publishing rival campaign spin.

"Mr. Wolfson, we have two Obama campaign workers who claim that McAuliffe said he hasn't stopped beating his wife yet. Would you care to comment?"

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As for the infamous Iowa memo. It has always been my belief that the memo was an intentional leak from the Clinton campaign. An intentional leak to position themselves as the underdogs in Iowa.

Let's put it this way. If it wasn't an intentional leak, it was the only leak from the Clinton campaign in nine months. You do the math.


by hwc on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 11:13:02 PM EST
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I take your point on the McAuliffe comments, it just struck me that the NYT piece described an incident on the 3rd and then Wolfson and McAuliffe used exactly the same phrase on the 5th.  I have no idea if the 'run as if you are 20 points behind' is just part of the standard stump but it seemed more than coincidental.  Probably not worth any more cyberspace discussing it and I am certainly willing to concede the point.

As for the memo, yeah, it was strange.  I am very impressed with the discipline of her campaign so it is noteworthy.  The response at the time led me to believe it wasn't intentional, it was one of the few times they seemed wrong-footed on such an issue.  But I'm darned if I know for sure and I still can't figure out the significance of it, if any.  It seems relevant at the moment somehow.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 01:14:17 AM EST
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the inevitable meme, her campaign has been pushing from day one.  only, guess what, these early states don't like to turn their tv's on and be told WHO WON.  this is going to be a backlash.  these states take their position seriously.  and if clinton looses, the headlines will be "she is not electable", then that is going to be pumped to all these other states, in the background 'watching'.


by iamready on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 09:00:42 PM EST
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Oh, so I guess you represent these people.  You are so full of shit.  If you believe that shit, then we have been wrong about you Ice.  You should know better since you actually work for the Obama campaign.  Did the Obama campaign ask you to spew that shit on Progressive sites?   Pretty pathetic if that is the case.

Honestly, I try to avoid your bullshit.  But this was too hard to pass by.


by lonnette33 on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 10:17:45 PM EST
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Point being that the NYTIMES is printing alleged quotes from an event that they didn't attend. Their source for the quotes? Two Obama campaign workers. How did the NYTIMES happen to link up with these two Obama campaign workers? Doh?

So the entire gist of this "reliable" reporting is Howard Wolfson saying that the alleged quotes don't sound like McAulliffe.

Here's some advice to the NYTIMES. If you want to quote campaign rallies, go to the campaign rallies. I wouldn't expect you to published alleged quotes from two Clinton campaign operatives as your sole source for information from an Obama rally.


by hwc on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 07:21:45 PM EST
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Fair enough, I freely acknowledge the bias of the two women, but that was hardly my point either.  The idea that Hillary's inevitability is counter-productive in early races seems a reasonable one and it certainly isn't inspirational to get out the vote among soft supporters.  Frankly I would prefer to see you guys talking it up as hard as you like from now on.  I think we can afford the impact it might have on Obama's fund-raising at this point.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 08:41:55 PM EST
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Sorry - it's the proofreader in me...

You might want to take another look at your title. Woke should be WOKEN.


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by alegre on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 09:49:17 PM EST

Re: Has the Clinton Camp Woke Up? Iowa Does (none / 0)

there for a reason


by iamready on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 10:16:27 PM EST
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Re: Has the Clinton Camp Woke Up? Iowa Does (none / 0)

LOL!


by DoIT on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 09:48:47 AM EST
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The DesMoinesRegister poll gives Clinton a 6% lead over Edwards, and a 7% lead over Obama.  Obama has been frozen in place since May, has not moved an inch, despite sinking $4 Million into Iowa, while Clinton has surged by 8%.

Te DesMoinesRegister is respected as the most accurate of all Iowa polls.    I guess the diarist had no idea this was coming down the pike, but it is comical and incredibly poignant nonetheless to see wishful thinking of an Obama poster trumped by reality on the ground.  


by georgep on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 01:02:59 AM EST

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Frankly, George, so long as she doesn't run away with the place, I am pretty comfortable with the perception that she is a few points ahead just now, though 7% seems a bit rich, and I agree the Des Moines Register is the best poll.  We shall see, it will certainly keep the Obama team on their toes and motivated.  There seems to be plenty of them.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 01:22:27 AM EST
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Yes, but the notion that Clinton is "in trouble in Iowa" advanced in this diary appears naive.  She has actaully surged ahead in the state and looks to be consolidating and strengthening her lead (pollster.com averages after the DMR poll is added should come in at around a 6.5% lead in the aggregate.)

I personally believe that it is best to lead, and then build on that lead.  You get more free coverage in the state you lead in (TV, newspapers) and more endoresements and money comes in as a result.  There is also an element of voters that wants to go with a winner (which only a leading candidate can portray.)   I realize that by necessity the Obama line is that it may be an advantage to pounce from behind, get "hot" at the right moment, but that is a lower-percentage proposition.  

Of course, I agree, that, as always, "we shall see."   :-)  


by georgep on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 03:27:45 AM EST
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Clinton isn't the one who has skipped events (none / 0)

Obama skipped a candidates forum in Iowa.  He also missed out on the BarBQue.  Shows how important he thinks Iowa is.  He probably had a conflict -- like a dinner with his wife of something.


by dpANDREWS on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 12:54:20 PM EST


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